She knew that my big dream was to audition and hopefully get accepted to the Juilliard School of Music in New York, but she had no idea how to make that happen, and so one day, we were in the city. ![]() Uh-huh, uh-huh.Īnd there was something appealing to me about that even from the time I was a little kid.Īnd then you were 9 or something, and your mom walked you into Juilliard? I felt like with the violin you just get immediate feedback, and so you have a constant pulse on how you're doing and whether you're getting better. When I would go to India over the summers, we were completely inseparable, and so when my mom brought the violin down and opened the case, I guess I was just really enamored with it. I don't even think I knew of its-of its existence, and then one day, my mom went up to the attic, and she brought it down with her and was eager to show it to me because I had had a very, very close relationship with my grandmother growing up. It was sitting in our attic, Kelly, for a very long time. Was it a totally off limits and sacred object, or was it like the best toy you ever had? So your mom came to this country, and in her belongings was her mother's violin. I foreclosed on a bunch of other identities in favor of being a violinist. I 100% experienced identity foreclosure as a kid. That sort of reminds me of where we are politically, where people have foreclosed on an identity and that the idea of adjusting is super threatening. ![]() That one change is entangled with so many other parts of who we are. It's just a cleaner narrative, and what we're forgetting when we do that is that we are really complex systems that are operating in even more complex ecosystems, which means that when you tweak one part of yourself, necessarily a bunch of other stuff is gonna get affected, right? In fact, in many ways, this observation was the inspiration for my podcast, "A Slight Change of Plans," which is all about marrying the science and storytelling to try to understand how it is that people respond to change, but one thing that I found is we tend to code changes at their outset as being good or bad. We're very bad at predicting the ways that big changes will change us. So can you talk about our ability to predict what will make us happy? Like, I think there was a comparison between having cancer or breaking a leg, and breaking a leg is actually much more trying for most people. We think that one thing is going to ruin our lives, but it's actually something much smaller. That I think he won the Nobel for it, which is that we're terrible cognitive forecasters. One of my favorite ideas from Daniel Kahneman. I'm Kelly Corrigan, this is "Tell Me More," and here's my conversation with podcaster, scientist, Rhodes Scholar, and every bit her mother's daughter Maya Shankar. ![]() This is a conversation about hard endings, astonishing beginnings, and the chutzpah it often takes to transition from one moment in our lives to the next. ![]() ♪ As a 9-year-old, prodded by her mother, Maya Shankar walked into Juilliard unannounced and played her violin for whoever would listen, kicking off a period of study that included private lessons with one of the world's most esteemed musicians.Īs a 26-year-old, her music career cut short by injury, Maya cold called the White House to offer her services as a cognitive scientist.
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